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Vrsjones
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Post by Vrsjones »

So has anyone else had a letter through the door that as of next year you will have to pay road tax on your electric car. This was one of the reasons I bought an electric car. No road tax. I pay so much tax it’s unreal.

As an Enyaq owner I think we will pay one of the highest as well. Is there actually any benefit of owning an electric car now? Other than good on environment and cheaper than fuel.

I looked at a brand new kodiaq plug In Hybrid and with that at least I get some flexibility with fuel and battery.
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Decide
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Post by Decide »

£190 pa - https://www.gov.uk/guidance/vehicle-tax ... s-vehicles

Additional rate (expensive car supplement) for EV only applies to vehicles registered on or after 1 April 2025.
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Post by CrowSysE243 »

I have not received a letter yet but knew the change was coming before I took delivery, but it would not have changed my decision to order the car. I ordered the car in July 2022 and the change was announced in November.

The change to charge the standard rate applies to all vehicles registered on or after 1st April 2017, not just to EVs, and includes removing the hybrid vehicle discount so other low emission vehicle owners will have to pay some increase. At least cars registered before 1st April 2025 will not have the expensive vehicle surcharge added! There is still some road tax benefit in the first year, but that is fairly negligible.
Here is a link to the original announcement:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... -from-2025

Apart from the lower running and maintenance costs I find the advantages of EVs are that they are more fun and relaxing to drive. Despite the reduction in range compared with my previous Tiguan (700 to 800 miles) and Passats (750 to 900 miles) I hsve not found long journeys up to ~450 miles to be any more difficult or time consuming, and definitely more relaxing.
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I personally do not agree with the subsidising of EV's. Road Tax is meant to be for the maintenance and development of the roads so its quite right that EV owners should pay. You say that the EV is good for the environment but I think that is highly debateable. It may be good for local environments but on the whole, many suggest the real world total emissions may be higher for EV's.
I do despise the "Luxury Car" tax though. This is hurting EV owners who will have invested a larger amount in their car in order to be "Greener" and to tax those people extra is wrong IMO.
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Post by Dav00 »

I'm against discrimination and nudging so in principle nothing to object againt my EV paying same charges as an ICE, e.g. Expensive Car Supplement, but I object the very existence of some of them, for everyone.
The VED, Expensive Car Supplement included, it's just a wealth tax used for revenue generation and nudging. It's not emissions based as they claim, otherwise new energy vehicles not generating emissions at the exhaust should not paying anything and the band structure would be completely different. It's a prerequisite for public road use but the money is not constrained to road infrastructure.
The ECS is further evidence that it's it's simply a wealth tax - and raised continuously via fiscal drag.
It's just another opaque govt vehicle to nudge you. Either it becomesa transparent wealth tax, or it should be scrapped all together. Worst case, I'd accept a replacement with a digital vignette like in Switzerland, with the same flat charges for the same class of vehicles. And, in the UK, revenue tied up to road infrastructure.
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metalmadhammer wrote: Mon Oct 14, 2024 8:15 am I personally do not agree with the subsidising of EV's. Road Tax is meant to be for the maintenance and development of the roads so its quite right that EV owners should pay.
Not strictly true. Vehicle Excise Duty goes into the same "pot" as any other taxation such as Income Tax, Inheritance Tax, Corporation Tax etc that funds all government expenditure. It is not specifically allocated for maintenance and development of roads.
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Indeed the motorist gets screwed to pay for all sorts. But it should only be for the roads.
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Post by RichR »

Can people stop calling it 'Road Tax' - Churchill abolished that in the 1940s. It's 'Vehicle Excise Duty' or 'Car Tax'. It had never had anything to so with road construction or maintenance. That in general comes from County Council budgets or Department of Transport budget for more major projects. That means you've got people in the area prioritising where needs work, rather than a central department being overwhelmed.

It is indeed a tax on owning a vehicle, for a while linked to how polluting it is, but now as most new cars aren't that polluting compared to what they were a decade or two ago, and EVs are starting to become a significant proportion of vehicles, governments have to plug the hole due to declining tax from fuel and VED somehow. It was inevitable that we'd start to pay tax at some point.

In some countries, EVs pay a tax based on annual mileage. In others diesels do (and have done for decades). Here the government is trying a flat annual fee for all vehicles, increasing depending on emissions for older vehicles. All countries are having to react to how quickly EVs have taken off, and are trying different approaches based on what they think will work best for them.
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Post by Dav00 »

RichR wrote: Mon Oct 14, 2024 10:48 am Can people stop calling it 'Road Tax' - Churchill abolished that in the 1940s. It's 'Vehicle Excise Duty' or 'Car Tax'.
It's commonly called Road Tax because its payment is a prerequisite for the use or public roads, albeit it's a wealth tax. So its classification as "Road tax" is understandable albeit technically incorrect. There is a lot of (Govt) playing with the ambiguity of this tax.
RichR wrote: Mon Oct 14, 2024 10:48 am It was inevitable that we'd start to pay tax at some point.
I beg to differ. Not sure why it is assumed that taxation level can only go up or stay flat - and spoiler alert: it never stays flat.
Pretty sure we can cut a lot of those £1,200 billion HM Government spends each year.
RichR wrote: Mon Oct 14, 2024 10:48 am In some countries, EVs pay a tax based on annual mileage. In others diesels do (and have done for decades).
Which of the 180+ countries in the world charge road infrastructure per mileage, and how? Also, what is the combination of taxes motorists pay directy or indirectly?
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Post by Goaty »

/\ just my tuppence worth: tolls from the north to the south of France are well over €70 from what I recall. Do that a few times in a year and that’s easily going to exceed what we pay for VED in the UK. Using toll roads all the time there (which you kind of have to really unless you want to take slow scenic routes !)? That’s surely got to be hundreds of euros a month? I think we’re relatively lucky here in the UK.
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